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Tom Kyte

Thanks for the question, Christina.

Asked: July 09, 2001 - 10:26 am UTC

Last updated: October 07, 2006 - 4:31 pm UTC

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Hi, this is my first time installing developer, what are the steps in installing developer 6i? Do I just upgrade our developer 6 installation o do i need to do a new install? Thanks in advance for your help.

and Tom said...

See chapter 3 of Oracle Forms Developer Release 6i: Getting Started for Windows found on

</code> http://technet.oracle.com/docs/products/forms/doc_index.htm <code>

it describes how you can install as an upgrade (not a full install) over 6.0

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Auto Installer

juancarlosreyesp@yahoo.com, September 11, 2003 - 4:13 pm UTC

Hi Tom, is there a way to create a auto-installer for developer 6i runtime.
This is a way (using a script, or other options) so you don't have to be choosing every time the options to install and after that the same with the patch.

Thank you

Tom Kyte
September 11, 2003 - 7:46 pm UTC

the OUI can be run in silent mode.

so yes, you can.

but really -- it should be a zero client install - just do this web thing.

Thank Tom, for client/Server?

juancarlosreyesp@yahoo.com, September 12, 2003 - 9:47 am UTC

Hi Tom
to install developer 6i for client-server, the right
solution is:

Oracle Software Packager and Installer, Release 2.2.0.16.0

</code> http://otn.oracle.com/software/products/osp/htdocs/winsoft.html <code>

Thank you

A reader, September 12, 2003 - 12:03 pm UTC

The software packager works for database and I suppose for developer 9i and up.
But to install develover 6i software I think the only solution is to change the nt.prd and win95.prd, and leave only the options you use. (to simplify massive installations)
The idea to use java client, doesn't works, becaues you need to pay for the runtime, ias enterprise.
:)

Tom Kyte
September 12, 2003 - 1:59 pm UTC


or pay continously forever to support wickedly hard client server installations -- sure. you choose.

Is there a way to use Oracle Software Packager with dev 6i?

juancarlosreyesp@yahoo.com, September 12, 2003 - 2:14 pm UTC

Finally I download and installed ( it didn't work with jdk1.4 )
Oracle Software Packager it searches for products.jar
.prd file doesn't works.

The other chance was add files from filemap, but nt.prd doesn't have the required format.
I searched a file with the clause [FILEMAP], but I didn't found.

Tom Do you have trick to use Oracle Software Packager with developer 6i?

Thank you.


Tom Kyte
September 12, 2003 - 2:44 pm UTC

never used either.

:) Thanks Tom

A reader, September 12, 2003 - 4:12 pm UTC


Oracle Net8 Easy Config - 6i

Nazmul Hoque, November 05, 2003 - 4:22 am UTC

After Success Instalation Of Deleloper 6i on Pentium-IV, While runing the Wizard Oracle Net8 Easy Config to connect the Oracle Server (Database) it is showing error :

Jrew
This Program has Perfrom illegal Oparation...
Contact vendor......

But while installed on Pentium-III than it is okay. Even copy the TNSNAMES.ORA from P-III to P-IV is working fine. Only Problem is the Wizard is not working On P-IV, So What is solition run the the wizard "Oracle Net8 Easy Config" on P-IV of Developer 6i

Thanks in Advance
Nazmul

Tom Kyte
November 05, 2003 - 8:39 am UTC

contact support, there is a well known issue with that very very old software on p4's (that software predates the existence of the p4)

connecting other database's

Ashiq Shamsudeen A, November 05, 2003 - 9:07 am UTC

Hi Tom,

Is it possible to have sqlserver2000 or other database's provided by other database vendors , as a backend for D2K.

If yes, can you tell how to have above said db's as a backend for D2K.


Tom Kyte
November 05, 2003 - 9:45 am UTC

d2k

is that designer? (no)
is that developer? (yes -- using ODBC, using a gateway, using generic connectivity)

connecting other database's

Ashiq Shamsudeen A, November 05, 2003 - 10:09 am UTC

Is it possible to have sqlserver2000 or other database's provided by other
database vendors , as a backend for D2K.

If yes, can you tell how to have above said db's as a backend for D2K.


Hi Tom
front end is forms(4 or 5 or 6i)

What all are steps I've to do ,if my backend is SQL server or other vendors database . Is any link for this ?




Tom Kyte
November 05, 2003 - 5:49 pm UTC

</code> http://asktom.oracle.com/pls/asktom/f?p=100:11:::::P11_QUESTION_ID:4406709207206 <code>

shows how to set it up so you can do dblinks

but d2k can use odbc directly as well.

Can you give us a new direct link

A reader, November 05, 2003 - 11:12 am UTC


Tom Kyte
November 05, 2003 - 6:16 pm UTC

otn.oracle.com -> documentation -> ids

Oracle Net8 Easy Config

Nazmul Hoque, November 05, 2003 - 11:07 pm UTC

After Success Instalation Of Deleloper 6i on Pentium-IV, While runing the Wizard
Oracle Net8 Easy Config to connect the Oracle Server (Database) it is showing
error :

Jrew
This Program has Perfrom illegal Oparation...
Contact vendor......

But while installed on Pentium-III than it is okay. Even copy the TNSNAMES.ORA
from P-III to P-IV is working fine. Only Problem is the Wizard is not working On
P-IV, So What is solition run the the wizard "Oracle Net8 Easy Config" on P-IV
of Developer 6i

Thanks in Advance
Nazmul
--------------

Followup:
contact support, there is a well known issue with that very very old software on
p4's (that software predates the existence of the p4)

***************
Dear Tom,

Actually this is a new and critical problem for us. are there any file, that can help me update my "Oracle Net8 Easy Config of 6i" and i can use with out any problem.

Thanks
Nazmul Hoque

Tom Kyte
November 06, 2003 - 7:42 am UTC

contact *support*

you can edit the config files manually, sure, but there is a patch for this.

Oracle Net8 Easy Config of 6i

Nazmul Hoque, November 06, 2003 - 10:11 pm UTC

Please advise me where and how I get this patch files and install.....

Please ... Please..., That will be a great help for me.

Best Regards
Hoque

Tom Kyte
November 07, 2003 - 8:52 am UTC

Deleloper 6i Patch Files

Nazmul Hoque, November 08, 2003 - 11:52 pm UTC

Dear Tom,

Sorry, I have go above site, but did get any thing, cause of I am user not the supplier, I did not have any Identification number to login there(or create new user)....

Means i can't get the scope to download the patch files which very very usefull for me.....

If you have any other solution, Please help me...

Best Reagards
Nazmul Hoque

Tom Kyte
November 09, 2003 - 7:05 am UTC


you need to have support. in order to access the support site. if you are contracting for someone, they should have support -- tell them what you need.

Developer 6I Patch files

Nazmul Hoque, November 09, 2003 - 7:24 am UTC

I am helpless from that site, That's why am trying get from only. You are the only person who cna help me....

Hope you understand my problem...

Regards
Hoque

Tom Kyte
November 09, 2003 - 2:04 pm UTC

i cannot supply patches. only metalink can.

Client Server support

juancarlosreyesp@yahoo.com, December 03, 2003 - 9:34 am UTC

Hi Tom I would like to have your opinion about this
I think Oracle killed client-sever, I'm not sure if you did it to get your customer go to jdeveloper 9i, or to get more money selling IAS.

About jdeveloper 9i, it's an excellent product, but it is still heavy (more memory and resources) and it requires people with a knowledge it takes time to learn ( I think at least! 3 months),

But the real effect I see, is that your are losing customers
Even when is true that you can swear them you are going to give support all the eternity to developer 6i. using an old release is like using not enough good or something that in some moment is going to be unsupported suddenly.

I agree that in some moment it was unevitable you would had to drop the support to client-server, but it was too soon.
People says database+ias+develoer is too much, better we try using other database, or why not to try delphi.
I think you should had keep the client-server option at least to developer 11i.
Something I suspected once I knew your your new developer 9i/ias licensing policy, is happening, very subtle.

There several, specially thos of the standard edition, that want the client-server, or uses because they can'd acquire knowledge or money to use IAS.

I made some post about it,
</code> http://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jsp?forum=82&thread=161385&message=579820&q=696173203530303020667265652072756e74696d65203969#579820 <code>

What do you think.?

Tom Kyte
December 03, 2003 - 10:42 am UTC

I *wish* oracle killed client server.

client server KILLED itself. the WEB killed client server (thank goodness).

No ulterior motives there, it is just 1000% superior (web based) to client server. client server was a brain dead idea - it is DOA (dead on arrival). go ahead, patch 10,000 clients someday, keep them in sync. good luck with all of that.

I don't see what you see.

don't be parnoid here -- it is cheaper to field 3 tier forms then to field client server.

A reader, December 03, 2003 - 12:24 pm UTC

Thanks Tom,
I agree with you, this is better.
From the beginning I supposed I was the only one in this world who was going to complaint about this, but that thread show I was'nt and confirmed other suspicios I had about some reaction could happend, about the misunderstanding about the license policies ias will have and the new developer 9i.

Your position seems to say "We offer a better product(no client-server feature), this will save you time and money; and save us the work to mantain another release and made this new release better."
Additionally was a rumor about "Killing developer/2000", but that ended, and it was not my impression that some people try to say that( you can read the thread some oracle people made understand that).

You too says "If you used it as client server, and you want to continue using it, with really new feature , you must pay 5,000U$; otherwise use developer 6i only maintenance (like keep with "the old things" a punishment for those who like to be uptodate with latest release)"

There is people who still want to be using client-server with new features,there is other that want new feature, but can't pay it. Other that want and can pay it.
All that is the usual,and is unevitable, You're right about taking that decision,

but backward Oracle (intentionally or intentionally)
had created the image that developer is not as good product (tried to kill it)
There is no freeruntime (when this still exists for delphi, java, etc. etc.)
Oracle can change the rules suddenly, from one moment to other.
etc.

honestly there several people that would like to be using client server, for some reasons like
- Java is excellent, but is still heavy.
- JDeveloper requires still too resources.
- There is no time to learn new technologies.
- There is no $$ to buy IAS

This is not "We don't like ias."
This is like "
Thank Oracle ofr you product. (They are happy with Oracle)
We work hard and don't have time, why you try to force something we are not prepared to (even when this is unevitable).
Why is as difficult to get a definitive position about licensing, because (if you read the thread) it´s not clear about new policies.
You can do what you want but we would had wished you would had keep the client-server for some release more, or give a free runtime :)
"

This sounds like a wish more than a complaint.

In few word we want free runtime!!!.
:) I was only expressing a opinion shared with other people about a free runtime, a wrong image against developer (like a product to be deprecated) and a need for clear license policies.

Thanks Tom.

Free runtime?

A reader, July 12, 2004 - 9:57 am UTC

Hi Tom, sorry on question please if you can.
I read in this new statement of direction for forms and reports.
</code> http://otn.oracle.com/products/forms/pdf/10g/ToolsSOD.pdf <code>
"Forms and Reports Standalone Installation: Second, while several customers have begun
to use Oracle Forms and Reports in the context of the Business Intelligence and Forms
installation model, other customers who are upgrading from a standalone 6i environment
have wanted Forms and Reports as a standalone installation. This requirement has been
addressed with Oracle Application Server Release 10g (v 9.0.4)."

Then I went to the store and didn't find anything about it.
Could you please, please, tell us if this means a freeruntime or the price of this standalone instalation.

Thanks

Tom Kyte
July 12, 2004 - 11:43 am UTC

it is an installation option -- instead of everything including the kitchen sink, you can just install the kitchen sink.

A reader, July 12, 2004 - 12:12 pm UTC

Thanks Tom

For Nazmul Hoque

Riaz Shahid, July 12, 2004 - 2:33 pm UTC

Just find and rename all files (named symcjit.dll) on your system (in fact in the directory in which the Developer is installed) and hope it will work.

Not solved my problem

tahir, August 30, 2004 - 6:44 am UTC

Hi tum
i m instaling oracle 8.3 database and then separatlly by wizard install forms6i during the inslation the existing sql is halt and after complete of instalation sql not connected and display a file name etc message so pls giud me.
thanks

Tom Kyte
August 30, 2004 - 8:52 am UTC

please contact support for installation/configuration questions. They'll want real version numbers (8.3 never existed).

non-interactive mode of installation

A reader, November 03, 2004 - 7:10 am UTC

Tom,

Can you please tell us,
1. where the log files for non-interactive mode of client/database installation is located?
2.how to find the oracle_home_name for the exisiting installation of oracle client/server. I am trying to upgrade client from one version to another, we have some issue on server end to get the GUI working. In the response file, its asking for oracle_home_name.
3.Can patch sets be installed in non-interactive mode

Thanks for your considerations ..



Tom Kyte
November 03, 2004 - 7:25 am UTC

1) os dependent -- but should be the "same place" i would guess.
2) see #1, os dependent.
3) these are excellent support questions -- installation and configuration are things I prefer to have them do -- I do not install every product on every platform (in fact, besides the database, i rarely install...)


Oracle_Home_Name

A reader, November 04, 2004 - 6:39 am UTC

Tom,

Thanks, for your reply.
In window i could see for Oracle_Home_Name in registry. How about solaris?. I searched oracle docs. I could not get. may be i missed some where. Can you help me out here.

Thanks a lot

Tom Kyte
November 05, 2004 - 11:53 am UTC

$ echo $ORACLE_HOME

even easier than windows.

DB console not started sucessfully

Subrat, November 16, 2004 - 7:59 am UTC

Hi Tom,
In the oracle dasabase configuration assistant of instalation process of oracle 10g gives this error

INFO: Starting the DBConsole ...
Nov 16, 2004 5:54:46 PM oracle.sysman.emcp.EMConfig perform
SEVERE: Error starting DBConsole. DBConsole could not be started successfully

Could you Please suggest me how to overcome the above essue.

Thanks in Advance,
Subrat

Tom Kyte
November 16, 2004 - 12:52 pm UTC

check the logs and if it is not obvious contact support for installation/configuration issues.

Thanks to Tom

shams, November 25, 2004 - 7:05 pm UTC

At first i'wd like to thank Tom.U started a great job. Its really very helpfull.

Thanks again.
Best of luck

Oracle Consultant

Dawar, February 08, 2005 - 11:07 am UTC

Tom,

I have installed Oracle Forms Developer on my client machine (XP).
Now I am trying to connect to the Database server.
I had issues with the connection via form builder or sqlplus.
So I rename tnsnames.ora file and trying to create connection through Net 8 easy config.

I opened Net 8 easy config.
Enter all relevant information.
Such as SID, Service Name, IP address of Server etc.

when I clicks on test and enter username/password get the following error.

Connecting....
The test did not succeed.
ORA-03106: fatal two-task communication protocol error
There may be an error in the fields entered
or the server may not be ready for a connection.
You can check the server and retry, or continue.

Regards,
Dawar


Oracle Consultant

dawar, February 08, 2005 - 12:44 pm UTC

Connect to the very last question.

Tom,

I think I understand problem but need some help from you.

Whe I used Net 8 easy config with Oracle DB 9i & 7.3.4.

My test was succesfull.

I have noticed

Character set from 7.3.4 is as follows:




SELECT value
FROM SYS.NLS_DATABASE_PARAMETERS
WHERE parameter = 'NLS_CHARACTERSET';

VALUE
----------------------------------------
US7ASC11

From 9.2.0.5.0 is as follows:

SELECT value
FROM SYS.NLS_DATABASE_PARAMETERS
WHERE parameter = 'NLS_CHARACTERSET';

VALUE
----------------------------------------
WE8ISO8859P1

BUT IN 10.1.0.2.0

SELECT value
FROM NLS_DATABASE_PARAMETERS
WHERE parameter = 'NLS_CHARACTERSET';

VALUE
----------------------------------------
AL32UTF8


Databse 9.2.0.5 is totally different DB.
database 7.3.4 is a current version of DB we are using for Oracle forms 5..

But my goal is to upgrade form 5.0 to 10g.

so I am upgrading from 5.0 to 6i and then from 6i to 10g.

1) Do I need to change charaterset of 10g Database? If yes , how?

2) I will compile all forms 6i using a oracle 7.3.4 DB and then I'll upgrade forms to 10G of forms, then I can connect to the 10G DB and re-compile them.

which option is best please suggest me?

cheers,
Dawar




Tom Kyte
February 09, 2005 - 1:32 am UTC

1) no, you don't "need to", you decide what is right. you might read the globalization guide to get an idea of what these things mean/do

2) use otn.oracle.com -> discussion forums to get forms information. I literally have not touched forms since 1995..

Oracle Consultant

Dawar, February 24, 2005 - 11:02 am UTC

Tom,

Currently, I can connect to the Oracle 7.3.4 DB (installed on Sun Solaris) from Oracle Forms 6.0.8.25.2 builder(installed on XP). I upgrdaed this version of from Form 5.0.

Now I am trying to connect to Oracle Database 10g instead of Oracle 7.3.4.
Oracle 10g Database is installed on Linux Server.

So I rename current tnsnmaes.ora file on the Form XP machine.
And used Oracle Net8 easy config to connect.

Here I am getting error when I tried to create connection through Oracle Net8 easy config from the box where forms installed (windows XP).


When I clicked on Test button and entered username & password I got following error:


Connecting....

The test did not succeed.
ORA-03106: fatal two-task communication protocol error

There may be an error in the fields entered
or the server may not be ready for a connection.
You can check the server and retry, or continue.

Please note:

On my personal laptop I have installed Oracle 10.1.0.2.0 along with Form 6.0.8.25.2 and its work. I created tnsnames.ora file through Oracle Net8 easy config. and its work.

I think this is more Database oriented question so I am asking you to help.

Regards,
Dawar

Tom Kyte
February 24, 2005 - 5:00 pm UTC

this is an installation/configuration question for a specific client to a certain database. I do not/have not used forms since March of 1995, I have not configured or installed it in a decade.

this would be a support issue.

Oracle Application server

Dawar Naqvi, August 26, 2005 - 11:56 am UTC

Tom,

We have forms & reports (DS) 9.0.4.0.1 installed on windows XP.

We are running our internal program based on Oracle Forms & reports.

Now, we are planning to install Oracle Application Server on Linux box or windows 2003.

And move all forms & reports to the Application Server.

I have two questions:

Is it possible to move forms & reports from windows XP to Linux box?

which OS is prefeable to install Oracle AS?
we have two options windows 2003 or Linux?

Please note: our current (DS Suite) forms & reports existed on windows XP.

Regards,
Dawar


Tom Kyte
August 26, 2005 - 1:55 pm UTC

as for the OS choice, do you have experience with linux, if not, windows may well be your best choice for that reason alone.

You can move the reports and all - you should recompile them under the new environment as far as I know but you'd be best off using the forms/reports forum on otn.oracle.com (since I haven't done forms in over a decade)

Regarding installation of Developer suite 9i: plz help!

Firdaus, September 02, 2005 - 3:11 pm UTC

This is the first time I'm installing Oracle 9i developer suite on Win2000. I wanted to ask u few questions regarding Oracle 9i db server and developer suite:

1: I've Oracle 9i db server R1 and oracle 9i developer suite R2. if i install both on my system, what r the chances of failure in connecting them to each other (which is done automatically, i guess)? Plz let me know if theres any kind of release incompatibility between them.

2: Is it necessary to give same service name(or global db name) while installing both the softwares (may be in order to connect them to each other)?

3: While installing Oracle 9i Developer suite R2, if I opt Tcp as protocol, ORCL as service name and sales-service as the host name then what should be the host string for scott/tiger while connecting scott to the database on SQL*PLUS screen (or starting the database as Scott)?

4: What should be the host name while installing Developer 9i R2? plz let me know if theres any documentation/article regarding host name.

5: Lastly, what shall I install first: Oracle 9i db server
R1 or Oracle 9i developer suite R2?

Thanks in advance for your help :)

Tom Kyte
September 03, 2005 - 7:41 am UTC

please utilize support for installation/configuration questions.

Associating user-named triggers with specified keys

Naveed, October 06, 2005 - 3:37 am UTC

hi tom,
I will be thankfull to you if you will solve this problem.
I want to associate some keys with some triggers in my application.
I inserted a key binding with "action = Undo, Binding = F11" in Oracle Terminal in the file 'FMRUSW.RES'.
and created a trigger named UNDO in form, but it does'nt work.

Thanks in Advance

installing developer 6i

abdul samad, October 07, 2006 - 2:44 pm UTC

i first install oracle 9i first then i install developer 6i but at the same time when i install developer 6i in the process of installation a message error that tns not properly install i want to know that how can i install the developer if you send me proper way to install how than i will be grateful thanks
i will wait for your email

Tom Kyte
October 07, 2006 - 4:31 pm UTC

try the otn discussion forums, perhaps someone other there can remember that far back in time ;)

I have not myself used forms since about 1995, and it has been a really long time since "6i" was used.

compatibility with Vista

Haleh Badiey, April 05, 2009 - 12:31 am UTC

Hi Tom,
Please tell me : Which version of Developer is compatible with Vista ?
Best regards: Haleh Badiey

So, what do I send a Question to you?